Elsewhere said

from a conversation:
Thoughts on the matter of religion that all should hear.

Premise:

Posted by Jesse G////formerlyRadicalInsurgency on December 27

religion is to overtalked in our society, i think. i think it is a relevant issue, but it's all too commonly seen as an issue. there are many issues that we don't notice, that we don't discuss, that we don't criticize; furthermore, many people who criticize religion and call them 'slaves' are slaves in much the same way, namely to consumer culture. it's easy to point out theologists as being slaves, but what about society in general who adhere to popular trends and the like? they're equally as pathetic, but fewer people say things about them. Expect more from me on this issue. Rise Above.

me: There is no greater waste of human energy than that spent on rationalizing religion as beneficial to human progress. Religion is the most toxic human thought form ever and its central goal is subjugation of the human spirit.

Jesse G: as are consumer culture, among other things.

do you people not see the point of this blog at all? or are just clinging to 'religion is bad, let's feel like we're above everyone and aren't brainwashed by anything at all because we talk shit about religion.

Picidae Yaekwata: Slamb. Well said totally.

I will add that while I see religion as the base problem that is driving much of our governmental control problems for "we the people" the power base of religion and politics are together what is driving so much waste amoung the people in the masses that are fast asleep or diverted into just enlightening people to the evils of religion and to enlightening people into the evils of governing powers. One must wake up to both at the large level but fight it at the small level from door knocking sects of all faiths and those at the fairs, etc, etc, to the political BS on the local level and their influence into our daily life of price controls and regulations that benefit only the rich to get richer. Both of these issues (religion and politics) are what our parents told us "nice" people do not talk about in public as it is too enflaming for most to handle. This is evident at IPower in the past as we cannot talk about these two topic without people getting emotionall unbalance and void of facts and true thought to consider with open minds to learn from actively thinking. And thus, no new vision to go forward with will ever come as we only can handle the milk of IPower Principles and are far from the meat (so to speak).

The masses as so caught up in trends of gagets of the day that the powers of us just laugh as they take our money knowing that we are blissful and ingorant and even if we start to awake they know the rest of the worms in the can will pull us back into the fold.

I am out of the can through hard work and study of all sorts of things to open up my mind and it all starts with receiving from all sources and pondering on what comes my way considering what I have accepted into my life from previous times of receiving and pondering...and from each new thing I work my vision going forward. But long long ago the need to learn these skills have passed. I always look for others who are beyond the mild and beyond the emotional needs to feed their own ego. IMO Jesse is one of those who has the potential to lead our future within humanity.....as are a few I have met at IPower over my short time here. Some here are trying and that is really cool.

me: I see no difference at all between market driven thought and religious thought; both are a means of subjugation to external authority.

Jesse G:Exactly, Slamb. That is why we should focus on them both, and not just one, and not hypocritically speak down on the adherents of one when we are in fact slaves to the other. :)

Rich: But people learn about market driven thought through religion. You're subjected to religion through family/sunday school way before your subjected to the rest of the world. Cut off the snakes head, so to speak.

Jesse G:that. has to be one of the least-sense making posts i've ever, no offense.
churches don't talk about markets or consumerism, these things are given to kids through their entertainments, which they get since birth. it happens simultaneously, really. and either way, why would you not question the other brainwashing things?

me:I agree with Rich though.
Religion is the source for all the market thinking that follows religion's foundational mapping of subjugation to external authoritarianism. Because religions market themselves as beyond the reach rational/critical thought, they lay the groundwork for all the patriarchal and secular non-thinking that follows.

Daddy knows best...whether Daddy is up in the sky controlling lives or Daddy has control of all the toys in the mall.

I consider the initial framework of unassailable control as being provided by religion rather marketing itself being concomitant. In order to get people to stop acquiescing to the authoritarianism of market and government, we must first get people to stop their magical thinking which is at root is a habit of religious training.

I am no more subject to consumer authoritarianism than I am to religious dogmas. Therefore I feel free to equally disparage behaviors by both groups because they are really a synchronized product.
Blowing up your tv is a good start, but first you should turn your back on your preacher or priest.